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Taken on 120mm B&W film at Occupy London
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A child representing adult's opinions makes for a thought-provoking image in Occupy by ~Lydiapourmand. ( Featured by RockstarVanity )
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Chiminix Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
Heck, let's occupy deviantART!

Why should Premium members get more points and privileges?
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lisa-im-laerm Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
cute :heart:
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aupre Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013   Digital Artist
work is an obsolete principle
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MealeaYing Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
This is a terrific photograph.
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Pigwasher Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Gather 'round folks. I want you to see how many who are whining about this photograph actually live in the UK, know anything about its political climate, know who David Cameron is, what shenanigans he and his party are up to, or even know what this march is about in the first place.
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andybuzzly Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Sad to think people should still have to march to be heard.
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JoshHutchinson Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
One could argue that her parents are the ones that have instilled this child's political views, as it is not likely that she developed them by herself.
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joeltonongkh Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013
Nice shot!
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Razgriz-3 Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013
Seeing as I live under a rock, I know not this reference.
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Zee-Who Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist
Congrats on your Daily Deviation!:squee::heart:
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Sachi-pon Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
ugh. that kid has no idea what "right to work" is or who "cameron" is- the parents should have just arranged for someone else to watch the kid so that while the parents are out protesting, the kid could do normal childhood things like playing with toys or something... why can't people just let children be children without throwing them into the adult world for no reason?? what exactly is the point in the parents putting a protest sign into their child's hands? are people supposed to look at that and go "aww what a cute child" and then they'll suddenly agree with whatever the sign says just because the kid is cute?? :roll:
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DrPrintsy Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Professional Artist
Children can't be interested in politics? Or take part in protests? One day the child is gonna grow up to have the same future his parents are protesting against. The child CAN'T have a good childhood, if his parents can't support him.

Your opinion is awful, and it seems like you have no idea what you're talking about, the fact that you think children shouldn't protest or take part in political oppositions is just repulsing, and ignorant.
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SabertoothChikn Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
By you putting down what that person thinks it makes you seem like you are close minded, not to mention rude. That language might be acceptable if they had just insulted you but the commenter never asked for your opinion, as you didn't ask for mine, but it seemed like you were bullying. You never asked why you just started to lash out on them. While yes, when that child grows up it will have to live in the world their parents protested for but I don't think it's fair for the kid to be voting for something it knows nothing about. Maybe if it is well edjucated on the matter, and knows the repercussions then yes it should IF it is interested. But this picture looks like the parents just gave the kid a sign which basically points out what he will either be voting for/against or how his family wont accept him later on. Children shouldnt have to worry about such things. They only get to enjoy life until a certain age. I'm not saying you can't be an adult and not enjoy things but what everyone will put on him and pending on his on determination could decide. How can we expect an independant child if by birth we have already begun to brain wash them. Your response reminds me of that episode of Spongebob Squarepants where him and Patrick have a "magic" shell that they have to ask permission before doing something. I know that episode because my parents let me enjoy my childhood. Your opinion is your own and I havent insulted you, just as the being had their own opinion. I think it's bad when society is more angry at commenters than people actually doing bad things in the world. And I could understand a child protesting if it were something specific for the child, like medicine or a cure. But this is a world that the "adults" have made and the children shouldnt have to reap what their parents sewed at such an early age. What if the protester had given their possible gay child a sign that was against homo-sexuality. The kid wouldnt know that their parents don't accept them. Could you imagine lving all your life one way and then realizing the whole time you are against what you are? I'm just saying, if you see a picture thats beautiful and comment on it, I'm not going to get on and be hatefull because it triggers something. I'll respectfully point out parts that I agree with and/or disagree with. Without insulting a form of opinion. You even contradicted yourself you stated "One day the child is gonna grow up-" That might be what that original commenter was getting at. The fact that they might need to grow up first and experience the world before deciding.
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SabertoothChikn Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
1. Never said you were wrong, was just pointing out that how you were saying that their comment is repulsive and ignorant is a wrong way to go about getting into a discussion. All in all with number one you cannot hate on my comment on your opinion without hating on your own.

2. I never said there was something wrong with it but since you are asking me personally I think that people with ugly responses and possibly anger issues should probably have more restraint. By all means you are free to express yourself in any way...No matter how mean or "ignorant" it may make you look.

3. "Are you kidding me..That's what you define bullying as? Having seperate views from someone and expressing it?
So then all athiests are bullying christians, all christians are bullying other religions, and those religions are bullying christians, etc."

Another contradiction to yourself "something wrong with my first amendment right to express freedom of speech?" You said it yourself so I don't think there is a need to go into further detail as to how I am correct.

ig·no·rant /ˈignərənt/

Adjective
1.Lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.
2.Lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular.
You called that person's opinion ignorant. By you bashing their opinion wrether you admit to it or not that is bullying.I don't mind sophisticated responses to other beings but by all means your response to their comment was in no way sophisticated. You wouldnt get so offensive if it werent true. Why bring religion and other things into this if I directed the adjective towards you. I am not talking about them I am talking about how un-proffesional your response was.

4. A good couple of questions, but you would know that I don't know the child as this is all over the internet. But now I can ask you the same things. How would you know as well, do you know them personally? If not then I think we might be on the same ground here. That is if you understand that everone has eyes and sees from their own point of view.

5. I'm not saying they shouldnt be allowed to protest, and I am not saying that they should. If a couple is going to bring children into this world wouldnt it make sense for them to have everything taken care of, this way the child doesnt have to stress over who does what to who. Maybe the parents should take into to consideration everything around them and the tragedy of the commons.

6. I was summing it, when a child is to small to understand the circumstances of a situation it is brain washing. I never said education is brainwashing, as a matter of fact education is the answer to many problems, what I was saying is if that child doesnt get a chance to see what he wants and the parents drive it into him then it is...Brain washing. I'm not trying to argue with you just trying to get you to understand that if you are passionate about something you do not go about it the way you did. But once again your opinion, you can make it look bad all you want to.

7. I never stated that child might not enjoy his childhood. But a child's life should not consist of only these things. Once again had the parents made the decision to wait or plan (if they didn't already) they might not have to worry about these things, but not everyone can win. There will always be someone that people can't stand or rules that they wont follow. You can't make everybody happy.

8. As I have mine and that was mine, with all the frustration you seemed to have let out on that person you might have been able to do something more productive than spend all your time typing your allowed expression at people who have opinions, just because they don't agree with you however, does not give you the right to bully them. But since you seem to not like that word strongly disagree with hatefull words.

9. I'm so glad that you are every child, we have at ast solved the long lost mystery of "Are children born gay? I would give you a medal but your probably busy telling someone that shoes arent made at a factory. You simply do not know if one is born gay or not. And since appearently your comments make sense to you I am just going to tell you....You werent born straight, thats right you probably didn't even experience any form sexual thoughts until mid childhood. Once again another poor way to express your opinion. And there are my points that were scientifivally proven but maybe one day when your wasting time like you are now you will find it on google. And as I racall I never said there was any type of protesting against such things. I think ou might have been a porn star because you sure do like to put things into peoples mouths huh? I'm going to use your excuse here freedom of expression =P.

10. I said if they are educated which you must have not read. You are the one saying a child can't have an opinion, You are one of those people. "Whats that I hurt my ankle?" (could go to a doctor and get it fixed without others worrying.... tells everyone they broke their leg. I need the awkward penguin icon here... And since you are so much for children having opinions it is nice to know that if a 7 year old was running for president you might but one of the many few that vote for them.

I did not start an arguement but I do not mind correcting people. You should have been nicer to that being period. You can express your self however you please, but just because you falsely believe your opinion to be better than everyone elses doesnt make you correct.
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SabertoothChikn Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I had a whole big response planned out which points out the parts that you are lying about, wrong about or hypocritical about. But the thing is I don't want to talk to you anymore. If I block you it is not because I am "childish" or any of the other thing you have called me. It is because I am so tired of proving you wrong. You changed several sentences. And had you said what you claimed to have said to that person I wouldn't be bothering you right now. Hence me replying is showing that you did not write what you said you wrote. I am not going to bother insulting your opinions because THAN I WOULD BE HYPOCRITICAL. If I were to insult the way you believe than I may as well write what I said to you to myself. But because I am mature and do not need foul language to prove my point there is no need. As for you being gay and offended, I have nothing against any being, no matter the gender, race, religion or sexual preference. And if you are going to call me hypocritical than you may as well call your self one too. I don't understand why it is so hard for people to be nice to others, you could have replied nicely. I would never start an argument...correct people how ever. I will do that gladly. I find it kind of amusing that you think your comments upset me, when in reality I just could not take the hypocrisy. And I am not completely wrong, if there was a a weight on to whomever was the most wrong and hypocritical, I feel as though yours would be on the deeper end. I am trying to write this with the best intentions, I had to change the previous response because I felt it to be as mean as you are. So now there is this. I am sorry if I have offended you in any way but my point still stands. Treat others the way you would want to be treated. And now to block you again, and reply to your many other accounts.
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TheDisgusticifiedOne Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
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TheDisgusticifiedOne Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Wonderful point, but I think it's supposed to mean that the changes made today affect our posterity tomorrow.
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MomoHinamoru Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Student Artist
baby
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Rinaldi-Pin-Up Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Professional
Very nice symmetrical composition!
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BabakoSen Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
She probably doesn't even know what it means. So when she grows up, \Cameron and workers' rights and everything related will provoke a Pavlovian response.
Just like the children of the Westboro Baptist Church who don't even know what a "fag" is.
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Allendra3 Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Not necessarily. Plenty of people during their adolescence think about what their parents taught them and consider whether they want to stick with it or change their mind.
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BabakoSen Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
True, but people who are specifically taught not to question religiopolitical authorities too often don't have that breakthrough.
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Allendra3 Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
For you to claim that, you'd have to know the specific experiences of every person who ever lived, is living, and will live. You do not, so there's no way you can back up that claim.

Sure, some people never change their minds from what their parents taught them - whether it be good or bad. But some people do.
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BabakoSen Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'm making a generalization. No need to take it personally.
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Time-Raining Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013
The little girl is so cute!! But it really is thought-provoking O.o
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Allendra3 Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Meh, I don't see how it's a big deal for this kid to be brought along. She's unlikely to remember it when she's an adult, anyway. When they're that young, parents bring them along for most stuff. So long as it's not violent, it's no big deal for her to be their with her parents.
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justMANGO Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
The value of this photo is not in whether the photographer or the featurer agrees that it's a good thing that a child is presented as supporting adult matters. Rather, the value is that it sparks debate in exactly this front. It challenges us, the viewers, to take a position and reflect upon the matters of rights as related to adults, rights as related to children, the overlap thereof, of indoctrination, of a child's freedom of thought, of methods of proper parenting, etc.

Photography is at its best when it is thought-provoking. And this photo does exactly this. Congrats on the DD.
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oCrystal Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I feel bad for the kid, but who knows, maybe she wanted to come ^^
She is properly dressed, doesnt look upset, I dont think this is bad for the kid, only if she doesnt want to be there (which would be obvious)
I think its cute :3
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perple-tertle Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I hate the Tories but I wouldn't bring my kids to a protest. It's not a suitable place for them. Parents who do bring their kids are just using them for shock value. (Or they couldn't find a babysitter!)
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mum Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Student Writer
Indoctrination.
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heidinanookie Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
That is child maltreatment. What if she hates this when she's grown up?
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Allendra3 Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
lol I'm sure no one 100% agrees with every decision their parents made regarding them when they were children. That doesn't automatically make it "maltreatment".
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veeseegoth Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013
What's the point???? They have to be teached to may recognize the evil as soon as possible.
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heidinanookie Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
No, they have to be taught to form their own opinions as soon as possible, not repeat those of others back at the world.
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veeseegoth Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013
ich stimme dir grundsaetzlich zu, jedoch
1.Es beststeht kein einziger ,"gerechter" Weg von solcher Bildung der in Forschungen geankert ist. Lediglich blosse Auswahl von "Intuitionen" und "Denkschulen" zur Verfuegung steht.....deshalb lassen wir alldas Stuff vielleicht der Eltern Gefühl, Liebe and gute Wille.

2.Zur Logik. Wenn das kind Bewuest ware was es wiederholen bzw befolgen lassen wird dann wuerd's bedeuten dass das nicht mehr solch "Bildung zur eigenen Entscheidudungskraft" erfordert - also schon entsprechend erwachsen ist.Wenn nicht - ja,das Winken mit einem bunten Banner ist fuer das Knirps ein gleichegal Spiel wie jedes andere auf dem Spielplatz. (Natuerlich unter Bedingung dass das dazu, also zum Winken , nich erzwungen ist)
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ps. Das all belogene Geschrei ueber gewaltloser Erziehung (zumindest hier in Polkatholand ) scheint besonders erbärmlich hinsichtlich dessen was kath. Kirche mit Kinder anfertigt also Taufe eines Neugeborenen d.h. ganz ohne seinem Bewuesst und ohne seiner Wille sowie kurz daraufolgend brutal ideolo-brainwash.... Niemand waegt das beanspruchen hahaha,ganz sonderlich ....da Papa Ratzi warscheinlich kann boese sein :-)..... Scheisse...
Hoffentlich mein gebrochen Deutsch ist verstaendlich ..... Sorry:-)Gruesse
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dagoth-jeff Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
That was a retarded statement.
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veeseegoth Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013
Heil Schicklgruber/Fritzl.
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dagoth-jeff Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Still retarded.
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veeseegoth Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013
welcome
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Peaniko Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Student Digital Artist
What do you mean but this is child mistreatment? I agree with you saying this isn't the best place for a kid, but far are influncing her ideas, parents do this sort of thing all the time.
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heidinanookie Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
What I mean is that they use her face as a cuteness magnet to their views. If this were a grown-up holding the sign nobody would look at the picture twice. It wouldn't be a DD. But a grown-up could make a choice about influencing the mob like this. This child just does what her parents tell her to but she has no idea what she's doing. In this scenario, she's like a mascot, an soulless, personality-less thing to draw attention.
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dagoth-jeff Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
"Parents" doing this "all the time" still doesn't rationalize the insanity behind using a child to promote such bullshit.
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Peaniko Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Well no, it doesn't, but I'm just curious to hear all the reasons. It just made me think of how people consider it okay to force certain ideals on their kids but not others. But I totally agree that kids should be kept out of stuff like this, it's not a safe enviroment.
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foolishbunny Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
the next generation of fighters,she'll grow up in a better world for it
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BeauCadavre Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
congrats to the DD. To all those who are crying children rights! Oh please, move on. I'm sure the person who took the picture did just that, by all means I am quite positive that the person who took this picture wasnt the kids parents. And to discriminate against the photographer is just ridiculous and ignorant to what makes a dramatic photo just that.

Congrats on the DD
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Lydiapourmand Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013
hahah no i'm only 18! way to young for a child that age. This little girl stole he sign from another protestor and started marching up and down infront of the police. She was really enjoying herself. I asked her parents if I could take a photo of her and they agreed. It was also really nice that she was doing this because hundreds of people were stuck inside a Kettle and she was keeping them happy from the other side of the police barricade.
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dagoth-jeff Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
To all who nonchalantly support the abuse of children to promote controversial and grownup ideals, move on.

The argument here isn't whether or not the kids' parents took this photo, oh great Confucius. It's that such an ideal would get nominated for a DD, and then get further praised (what a shock) by protester-types (who most likely don't have children of their own, and therefore don't comprehend it.)
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